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humourous

Just so you know, 'humourous' is the correct spelling of 'humorous' in UK/International English ('humour' (UK, versus 'humor') + 'ous'). Not that it really matters.

Now that that's out of the way, we should have a chat about a certain word called Irony, since I was born and currently located in Midwest USA...--SirNuke 06:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/humorous?view=uk

In British English, -our words change to -or when certain suffixes are added. -ize and -ous are the most common ones. Ah, sweet irony... —Wereon 15:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

HAHA, that is awesome. --Padishar 08:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Irony illustrated *grin*. MikeBeckett (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Gts_(bbc)_pips.ogg

No problem, if I'd have remembered uploading it, I would have changed it myself by now! Alexj2002 23:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Ey up, let's sup, 82.25.23.38 20:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

'Appen. —Wereon 18:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

No problem. I was adding the infobox to an article at the time and couldn't get a preview of what I had added before saving. Mrsteviec 12:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to say

thanks for the good work on the gb thumbs - someone noticed you! Cheers --Nigel ^(Talk) 13:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. — Wereon 13:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Minster-in-Thanet

The yellow dot on the map no longers shows the right place. Thought you might want the chance to fix it rather than a revert. Cheers, Pgr94 14:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Beethoven image

Hello Wereon,

Thanks for the clarification re. svg. You'll see if you look at the Beethoven Fifth article that you've been reverted again--but not by me. The problem is that if you group the eighth notes/quavers as 1 + 2, you're deviating from the score, and (I believe I'm right in saying this), it also looks very odd to classical musicians.

So what I'd suggest is that you study the LilyPond manual and learn how to group these notes all together as a group of three. My understanding is that it's a very sophisticated software package and it surely has this capability.

Yours very truly, Opus33 01:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Below is the correct lilypond source. I have made a png of it at Image:Beethoven symphony 5 opening new.png but unfortunately my lilypond is not currently able to export as svg. Wereon - could you please use this code to make a new svg? Jobrahms 15:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

\version "2.8.7"
\layout { ragged-right = ##t }
{
 \clef treble
 \key c \minor
 \time 2/4
 r8 g'8 [ g'8 g'8 ] |
 ees'2\fermata |
 r8 f'8 [ f'8 f'8 ] |
 d'2 ( |
 d'2\fermata ) |
}

Thanks for the ly2svg script. I've tried pstoedit in the past (without much success) but not thought of going via the sketch format. Interesting that lilypond's ps output doesn't work as direct input to pstoedit. Jobrahms 09:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Images licensing on Commons

Please see your talk page on Commons. --Ptr ru 08:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Images you tagged for deletion

Hi, just wanted to let you know that when you nominate an image for deletion, you also have to notify the original uploader of the pending deletion. You can use the template {{idw|Image:Example.png}} to do it. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 22:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

de:Benutzer Diskussion:Gardini#Smoke on the Water

Thanks for your message on my discussion page. My knowledge about copyright problems is hardly abecadarian so I really cannot really estimate the situation. I'm just confused about what now shall happen with images like Image:Caught Somewhere In Time Gitarren for wikipedia.png. Will they have to be deleted, too? --Gardini 18:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, probably. — Wereon 19:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wales not independent

that's the point in the category stateless people. Amoruso 10:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

England is not independent ?? Amoruso 10:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland each elect MPs to sit in the British Parliament in Westminster. In addition, all except England have their own national parliaments or assemblies. As such, England is actually the least independent of the countries of the United Kingdom.

I'm going to uncategorize Welsh people and Scottish people, as it seems that you misunderstood the constitution of the United Kingdom. If you still want them to be tagged so, I recommend you try and gain a community consensus first, as it definitely seems POV-pushing to me. — Wereon 10:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well that seems a very strange view since England is the basis of the United Kingdom and it is England who conquered Wales and Scotland, so of course England in itself doesn't need a parliament of any sort. This is of course according to history and to facts, so this game on words is meaningless I think. The idea is obvious. I don't mind the category one way or another , but one can't deny that these countries are conquered and aren't indepedent. If Welsh people have so little nationalist feelings and care for that, then that's their choice. Amoruso 10:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

England did not conquer Scotland. The Scottish king James VI became King of England in 1603 with the death of his cousin, Elizbeth I, merging the crowns to form the Kingdom of Great Britain. The Parliaments of the two countries were merged with the Acts of Union of 1707. No offence, but your view of politics is very polarized. If a people view themselves as having a state, then they do - that should be the only criterion. You cannot impose your own views on Wikipedia. — Wereon 10:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Scotland was an independent state until 1 May 1707, when the Acts of Union resulted in a political union with the Kingdom of England to create the Kingdom of Great Britain. Hence, Scotland is under occupation. What you're saying is similar to the notion that the states of the USSR weren't conquered by Russia. Of course that's not true. I'm also referring you to this : Scottish independence is advocated by the political movement of Scottish people that desires that Scotland secede from the United Kingdom and once again become a sovereign independent state as it was prior to 1707. This also developed this for example : Scottish National Liberation Army. They might have a state but as a seperate people they don't. Again, I won't fight to include them in the category, though it is a fact. You can also read this : Wars of Scottish Independence and also see popular movies depicting Scotland's battles against the attempts of England to conquer it... attempts that were eventually lost like you mention with the Acts of Union. Amoruso 11:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That would be the Acts of Union passed by both the Scottish and English parliaments, then? That's the friendliest occupation that I've ever heard of. Surely occupation implies at the very least some kind of imposed military presence? Comparing the make-up of the United Kingdom to that of the USSR is ludicrous, and is tantamount to an invocation of an altered version of Godwin's law. You are perfectly free to hold the opinion that the Scots and the Welsh are "stateless people", as long as you do not let this POV colour what you do on Wikipedia.

And, regarding the Scottish Wars of Independence, prior conflicts are irrelevant. Ultimately, England and Scotland were in union due to political rather than military reasons. That is not an occupation of Scotland! — Wereon 11:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I see no difference between this union and the differnet soviet unions. In effect, you're describing the selling out of the scottish leaders of the time. Seems strange you dismiss the obvious occupation when Scotland was attacked, raped, and occupied numerous times by the British in the history. Strange that it did stop once the UK was formed. It's pretty obvious what went on. Anyway, many Scots feel that they're occupied by the English and say so as well. Amoruso 11:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

A quote from a popular movie :) Trainspotting  : Amoruso 11:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

"It's shite being Scottish!

We're the lowest of the low!

The scum of the fucking Earth!

The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash..

that was ever shat into civilization!

Some people hate English. I don't! They're just wankers!

We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers!

Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by!

We're ruled by effete arseholes!

It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy! "

Funnily enough, that quote and book had sprung to mind. But this opinion is hardly universal in Scotland. Note the failure of the SNP in Scotland compared to, for example, Sinn Féin in the Irish (UK) general election, 1918. In addition, it may interest you to know that out of the four holders of the Great Offices of State in Britain, three were born in Scotland, as was our Lord Chancellor. In contrast, as far as I know, the Scottish Parliament is populated entirely by Scots. That does not suggest an English occupation of Scotland. In fact, it suggests exactly the reverse. — Wereon 11:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I definitely understand that this view isn't universal, which is exactly what prompted these folks to say that they're wretched and miserable, it's because they don't do anything about it. I believe Sean Connery for instance holds a nationalist view too. The mixture of ministers etc does not suggest sovereignity of course. There were Ukrainian in the Soviet centres as well etc. btw, the capital city of BOTH england and UK is London which shows what it's about... IMHO. Also I doubt whether there was EVER an ENGLISH person who claimed that England is not indepedent, where as there were Irish, Scottish and Welsh movements who declared that. It's their culture that was suffocated and oppressed into the english center from london. Amoruso 12:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

English nationalism — Wereon 13:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Good to know ! As another user pointed out to me, maybe English people do need to be in the same category. Amoruso 14:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic maps

Hi Wereon. Thanks for replacing the dotty map on my Work in progress page. How do the dynamic maps work? The X & Y coordinates (MapX = 134, MapY = 174) don't appear to have anything to do with the Grid Ref for Creeton (TF013201) or the Lat & Long, which is about 52 46'N 0 30'W. SiGarb | Talk 17:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You also seem to have replaced the static maps with dynamic maps on hundreds of pages on my watchlist (around Chew Valley & the Mendip Hills). I would be interested to know how you identify the X & Y coordinates (so that I can do it on other pages) & what the advantage of the dynamic maps is? Does this relate to the fact that I put many of them on Placeopedia recently - if so why hasn't it included all the ones I did eg all of the Locks on the Kennet and Avon Canal?— Rod ^talk 20:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I just corrected your entry for Shipham which had the wrong population, district council and parliamentary constituency. --Cheesy Mike 11:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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YOUR MAPS DO NOT WORK

Your GB thumb maps do not work. It just shows as a blank map of the British Isles. Please stop inserting them. People cant see where places are.

Rite of Spring

I don't imagine it's intentional, one of us would have to check the source or a score. The rests are either a by product of the limits of Sibelius or appeared that way in the book (I lean towards the first). Hyacinth 07:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Ligature (typography)

You edit conflicted me during the same minute I was removing blatant vandalism [1] -- rest assured I was "being careful". Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and an SVG image Request

Hi, Wereon. I saw you made Image:Pinyin Tone Chart.svg, an svg version of my original png file. Thanks a lot! It looks really great and will be easy to modify for porting the image to Chinese Wikibooks in other languages.

I'd also like to request another conversion from you for a related image, Image:Half-third Pinyin Tone Chart.png. It should be very easy to create from Pinyin Tone Chart.svg, because only one line needs repositioning.

— Everlong 02:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

US Death Penalty map

This map Image:Death penalty statutes in the United States.svg has several problems which have been noted on the talk page (on Commons). Could you correct these? It is a good looking map if only it were accurate. Rmhermen 03:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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Actually

"Humourous" is a perfectly valid British spelling. In an article on a British subject, it is appropriate to use British (humourous) rather than American (humorous) spellings. Fan-1967 19:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I find it as a valid spelling all over the place: [2] [3]. Many list it as an alternate spelling, but perfectly acceptable. This says a lot of people are using it. Fan-1967 20:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Request

Can you please create a new image for me. That is Image:Al-Liwaa.svg make text color white and background black. It is also another flag used by early Muslims. Please reply me if you think you can do that for me. regards. --- ALM 16:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.. Thank you. :). Thanks [4] --- ALM 17:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Nice type images

The SVGs you made for Core fonts for the Web look great! TMC1221 19:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. Most of them are Atanamir's, though. — Wereon 19:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"White shahadah on black background"

i found your post on ALM user page there i found this "White shahadah on black background" it is really beauitful.Just wanted to Say Well Done. Khalidkhoso 02:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to take the credit, but all I did was extract it from the flag of Saudi Arabia, and changed the colours. —Wereon 12:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Your recent edits to Menzies Campbell and the use of "PC"

I beg to differ with your claim that "PC" is only used of peers. Try putting "Rt Hon" and "PC MP" into Google and see what you come up with - Tonys Benn and Blair are emphatically not peers. Can you point to a reference for your contention? I'd dig out my copy of Whitaker, but it's at home and I'm at work. Philip Trueman 20:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right! You're right! It's on p.122 of this year's Whitaker. Sorry for the bother. Philip Trueman 10:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Mendip Hills FAC

Thanks for your edits of Mendip Hills. I have now put it up as a Featured Article Candidate & comments, support or opposition is being recorded at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mendip Hills.— Rod ^talk 10:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

SVG Map of the UK

I updated Image:2005UKElectionMap.svg on commons.
There were a few issues I was wondering if you could resolve for me.

1) Each region is translated. Why is this? Can they not all be in the correct relative position to start with.
2) The Orkney & Shetland islands are not translated, when these really ought to be! Can you move them to their correct positions, then do a translate on the new group I have surrounded them & their frame with.
3) What do all the "seat-nnn" IDs mean? Is there some significance to these numbers? If not, can you change the IDs to the name of the constituency.
4) I got rid of all the inkscape and sodipod crap that the code was filled with. Why on earth did you leave this in?

— Nicholas (reply) @ 14:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why on Earth would I waste my time doing such things, which would not change a single pixel? If you care so much, be bold and do it yourself. — Wereon 17:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well for one it allows the map to be more easily reused. SVG is not just about drawing pixels onto the screen. Any old bitmap or vector format can do that. Its greatest asset is that it is XML, able to be edited and manipulated by javascript, and used in a multitude of interesting ways. See for example the entry on this page (and play the game, based on the wikipedia world map). If you don't understand this then you have overlooked the most basic benefits of the format. — Nicholas (reply) @ 17:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The basic benefit of SVG is its ability to look pretty at any size. Regarding XML, I understand but really don't care. If you want to make a "Find the Constituency" game, fine, go ahead. — Wereon 19:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Joss Stone

I have an impeccable source, the web site of the Liberal Judaism movement [5]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newport (talk • contribs) 11:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

That's fine, but you must link to the source in the article! — Wereon 17:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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I think the the word "affairs" carries an overtone of sexual liaisons. I imagine such relationships do exist in the school but I thought "joint enterprises" was more precise in the context. BTLizard 07:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Football kit template

I noticed you created SVG versions of the generic kit items for the template. Have you done any work on any of the other kit, or do you plan to? I hate the existing PNGs, but I didn't want to redo anything. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 15:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No, don't have time, sorry. I've done the hard bit now, though, and it should be easy to recreate the hundreds of other images as necessary in Inkscape. — Wereon 18:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Humanity?

Yeah, good, thanks! --Amandajm 05:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

No, wait, I've thought about this! You left a question in the box where you made the changes. It was a totally inhumane question which I take umbrage against. If I justify my choice of words, I'm going to look like an absolute willie wonka. If I tell you the truth I'm going to look like a total fool.... so I'll just leave your changes where they are and pretend I haven't noticed them....--Amandajm 10:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Wereon, thats a fantastic UK election map you have made. I was just wondering if you could answer a question about it, as I see you said you created it in Inkscape. How did you make it so that each district is a separate shape? I noticed when looking at it in inkscape that every single district can be selected & moved separately, and they all align up perfectly. How did you do this?! This might be something really easy but I cant see how to do it. I have made svgs before, but have not found a way to easily split the outlines into individual shapes. (the only way I could think would be to break each path at every single joining point, duplicate them then select the paths for each shape and combine them, but this would take a ridiculous amount of time) I have had to save files as pngs and then colour them in photoshop - like with Image:NSW 2007 election Sydney.png. If you could help with this it would be appreciated --Astrokey44 11:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, I will have a look at the sites you have linked, though I dont know much about geographic data - am more into the historical and design aspects of maps. Just about the difference tool, when two areas are selected this deletes one and keeps the other, rather than fixing the boundaries of both? I also just then discovered the bitmap trace tool in inkscape which seems to trace fairly well, and it keeps the areas separate after you select 'break apart'. --Astrokey44 11:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Russell Watson: Which county is Salford in?

Hi, Wereon, you recently edited "Russell Watson" to state that Salford, where Watson was born, is in the county of Lancashire. However, the article "Salford" itself states that Salford is in Greater Manchester. I don't know enough about English counties. Could you resolve this confusion? Is the "Salford" article wrong? Let's discuss the matter further at "Talk:Russell Watson#Which county is Salford in?" Cheers, Jacklee 23:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, again. I noticed that you changed the {{flagicon}} from a British to an English flag. This seems to go against the consensus in "Wikipedia:Use of flags in articles" that the use of a flag to indicate the place of birth is confusing, as readers may mistake this for an indication of nationality. I think it may be clearer to use the British flag and to reinsert "UK" at the end of the place-of-birth sentence. Cheers, Jacklee 23:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Layout engine usage share.svg

Hi! Could you update this image, please? :-) -- Kangel 12:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

b3ta - vandalised by a mod

I've noticed that a wikipedia mod has removed most of the B3ta page and then protected it. Their reasons (on talk b3ta) appear to be petty. As someone who's made a lot of reasonable edits on the page in the past, it would be great if you could look into this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.67.246 (talk) 14:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, the Rob Manuel article appears to have been removed without debate, or following any of the normal policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.67.246 (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Invitation

Hello there

I see you are interested in the Life On Mars Television Series, as I am.

At the moment I have A Life On Mars Wikiproject currently up for approval by the Wikiproject Approval Council. As you are interested in Life On Mars I was wondering if you would be interested in adding your name and joining. If you are interested you can find it on Wikipedia: WikiProject Council/Proposals its right at the very bottom you cant miss it as its titled ‘Wikipedia: Wikiproject Life on Mars (Television Series)’. And after your name is added to Wikiproject propsals please add it to the main page Wikipedia:Wikiproject Life On Mars

If you are interested by all means feel free to join

Regards

Police,Mad,Jack —Preceding comment was added at 18:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Manchester towers

Just to say thanks for your Image:ManchesterBuildingsHeight.svg image, it looks much better than mine so thank you! _└^and-rew_┘^┌_talk^┐ 22:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

No probs, you're welcome! —Wereon (talk) 23:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! I'd also like to thank you for this! It's great work! Do you think you'd be willing and able to put something together for a proposed Salford list at all??? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Your change to Image:EP_constituency.svg

Dear User:Wereon

Thank you for your recent change to Image:EP_constituency.svg. That image is used by Template:Location_map_European_Parliament_constituencies_2007 to produce a location map usable by the over 60 constituencies in force in the European Union as at December 2007. A brief scan of those constituencies revealed the stretch you applied caused problems which included:

• The Masovian (European Parliament constituency) of Poland ended up pointing to the Podlachian and Warmian-Masurian (European Parliament constituency) of Poland
• The Podlachian and Warmian-Masurian (European Parliament constituency) of Poland ended up pointing to Kaliningrad (a Russian exclave which isn't part of the EU)
• The Pomeranian (European Parliament constituency) of Poland ended up pointing to the Baltic Sea
• Denmark (European Parliament constituency) ended up pointing to the North Sea or, even worse, Norway (a country that isn't in the EU, has had two referendums on joining the EU and has had a government fall over the issue)
• The East France (European Parliament constituency) of France ended up pointing to the French-speaking electoral college of Belgium
• The French-speaking electoral college of Belgium ended up pointing to the Dutch-speaking electoral college of Belgium
• The German-speaking electoral college of Belgium ended up pointing to the Netherlands (European Parliament constituency)
• Bulgaria (European Parliament constituency) ended up pointing to Romania (European Parliament constituency)

For that reason, I have reverted your change.

I understand and agree with your desire to produce a clearer map. I also note that a vertical stretch of a location map can work (from memory, Scotland and Russia both use a 150% vertical stretch for their location maps). But if you wish to reintroduce a stretch, you wil have to do the following:

• 1) The stretch has to be applied evenly to an equidistant cylindrical map (such as Image:EP_constituency.svg was before your change): do not use a Mercator projection, because they don't work with Template:location map.
• 2) The top,right,bottom and left edges need to be the same before and after: if they are not, then Template:Location_map_European_Parliament_constituencies_2007 will need to be changed to compensate.
• 3) You will have to check all of the constituencies it affects (see Template:European_Parliament_constituencies_2004-2009 for a full list: there are currently over 60) and fix all those your change may have broken.

If I may make a humorous observation at this point, the problems caused by your change would have restarted World War II, caused a civil war in Belgium, recreated the Warsaw Pact and started World war III...<grin>

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 16:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Change Request

Hello Wereon,

I am reading an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages. The image "IndoEuropeanTreeA.svg‎" is unclear. I understand from the file history that you uploaded it. Can you direct to / provide an improved file?

Many thanks, Gregory Brown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.251.107 (talk) 07:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Elizabeth Shenton

You previously tagged this page with a notability check. You may wish to comment at the AfD debate taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Shenton. Martín (saying/doing) 18:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Nice new map for Chippenham (UK Parliament constituency). Thank you. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Many more coming shortly... —Wereon (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Where do you get the data from? (If you think I should not ask, just forget to answer.) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Merseyside + Greater Manchester constituency maps

You have just replaced some of my maps that I added last year...with ones that appear to me to be pretty similar. I already had them updated for the boundary changes. Has anything changed? Richard B (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

No. I am gradually uploading all of the new constituency maps, and replaced yours for consistency with the others, both in style (line width etc.) and naming. The new ones are slightly higher quality, too. —Wereon (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

And it's thanks from me, to both of you, I never knew who did the constituency maps till now =) doktorb _words^deeds 19:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Consttituency maps - urban and rural areas

I realise that this would be a lot of work but you might want to look at it. Maybe you could meld your maps with the existing district maps in which urban areas are shown. For example, the constituency map of Milton Keynes North is just a flat colour. Thus it is not possible to see that the urban area of Milton Keynes has been split so that the constituency consists both of urban and rural areas of the borough. It would aid undertanding if it were, I think. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that's not a bad idea. I don't have a (vector) source at the moment for urban areas; I'll have a look at OpenStreetMap. —Wereon (talk) 13:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Glasgow East

Oreet mate - cheers for the help on Glasgow East. I tried my hardest to keep up with the votes, and I think the gain/loss box works properly. I thought I'd worked the swing out but hah, it's late, and these cans of Relentless are wearing off! Cheers for the help, here's to the next by-election! doktorb _words^deeds 01:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. It can certainly be hectic, especially around declaration time! See you again for Kircaldy and Cowdenbeath by-election, 2008... —Wereon (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, I'll get the Labour leadership election, 2008 article ready too, yeah? On the declaration issue, I did try just prior to the vote declaration to alter the table to SNP/Lab/Con/LibDem, as this was likely to be the result, making it a little easier/quicker to fill in the votes, but by the time I had done all that, there was an edit conflict and....well, hilarity ensued. Is there a "Hang on, don't all edit at once" template, and if not...could we not create one? doktorb _words^deeds 17:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

PC

Please note that "PC" is not just used for peers. It is indeed commonly only used for peers, for the simple reason that non-peer members of the Privy Council almost invariably use "Rt Hon" before their names. However, in circumstances (such as Wikipedia) when honorifics are not used, it is perfectly acceptable to use the postnominal letters to indicate membership. This is done in, for instance, Who's Who, and may also be found in a number of other sources (for instance, in the order of service of the official memorial service for Ernest Bevin at Westminster Abbey he is described as "Ernest Bevin, PC"). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

See [6], [7]. Consensus on Wikipedia seems to be against using "PC" for commoners. If you can forge a new consensus, I would be happy to oblige.

I was just about to quote Debrett's and link you to [8], but it appears that you actually contributed to the debate, in which it seems there was a consensus against your view.

I accept your view, and see the legitimacy of your argument, but shan't adhere to it unless you can garner support. —Wereon (talk) 13:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there was any consensus - the debate was in any case about whether or not we should use "Rt Hon", not "PC", and resulted in no change to the guidelines. What I said above holds true - "Rt Hon" is usually used, but since it is still not on Wikipedia, "PC" is acceptable, as a number of sources show. Deleting information (i.e. the indicator of membership of the Privy Council) is not particularly productive. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: All Women Shortlists

Sorry about that. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 23:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Chatham, Kent

Thanks for the ceremonial county switch- it brings wiki inline with reality. ClemRutter (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. —Wereon (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

browser wars

could you update your image at File:Browser_Wars.svg to include 2007 and 2008? — Nicholas (reply) @ 23:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't remember where I got my data from. If you find out, and have figures (calculated the same way) for 2007 and 2008, I will. — Wereon (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Titles in infoboxes

Hi - I've been using personal names alongside titles to avoid the repetition of titles. I like your solution of using "Lord X" at the top and their title under their seat. Warofdreams talk 15:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Robert Bathurst

Nicely sourced! Bradley0110 (talk) 12:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Numbering of Parliaments

I've reverted your edit on the list of MPs. Parliaments are numbered, from the 1st Parliament of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 through to the current, 54th Parliament, as can be seen from http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/chron.htm --George Burgess (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you've found one source. They're not; the typical assumption is that the Parliament of UK was the Parliament of GB plus the Irish MPs; similarly that the Parliament of GB was the Parliament of England, with the addition of the Scottish MPs. Calling the present Parliament the fifty-fourth is deliberately obfuscatory; no-one knows it as such. –Wereon (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Bathurst

Ask User:The JPS. Bradley0110 (talk) 19:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mayors for Districts

Hi. Re your edit at Districts of England. What you say re mayoralty and borough/city status being linked used to be true, but since the innovation of optional directly elected mayors it isn't. For instance, Mansfield, which is only a district, has a mayor now. Not sure if there any other examples. In places that already had mayors, the adoption of the new system has displaced the existing mayoralty. Newham now has a "civic ambassador" who wears the old chains and gowns and does all the traditional mayoral stuff, while I believe Middlesbrough has a "speaker". So what I'm getting around to saying is we need to reflect this in the article :-) Lozleader (talk) 12:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Really? I never knew that. Thanks for letting me know! —Wereon (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

com res

Please see and comment regarding your recent to the cameron article Talk:David_Cameron#regarding_the_last_edit_by_Wereon_.28.E2.86.92Standing_in_opinion_polls:_ComRes_are_irrelevant_-_they_have_been_completely_discredited.29 . (Off2riorob (talk) 18:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC))

comment & question on maps

I like your British Isles outline map which is the largest on Wikimedia, but I am wondering if there is a version somewhere without the line between the UK and Ireland... like one that could be used for more geological or historical reasons.--Dchmelik (talk) 11:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Minor edits

Re this edit. Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. . Removing tags is not minor. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't be silly.

August 2009

Advising against marking non-minor edits as minor is not silly. Also, do not remove citation requests without providing the requested citations, or without gaining consensus for their removal on the talk page Talk:Heptalogy. You made a bold edit (mistakenly marking it as minor), it was reverted, and now should be discussed. See WP:BRD. -- JHunterJ (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Jody Dunn

Hi there. You added the 'notability' template to this article; I have examined it, and agree that she is not notable. I have nominated it for deletion; your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jody Dunn (2nd nomination). Robofish (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, have left a comment. —Wereon (talk) 22:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Category:Places historically in Berkshire

Not sure if you are aware that this category, which was renamed per your nomination, has been nominated for deletion here. Mhockey (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Wereon (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

UK constituency templates

I'm looking for a vector-based constituency map of the entire UK. I've seen your 2005 election map but couldn't find anything else. Have you done one? --Gangle (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

For the next election? Have a look at File:2005UKElectionNominalMap.svg. It's the old results on the new boundaries.

Wereon (talk) 14:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

West Midlands constituency maps

Thanks to the Boundary Commission's meddling; your wonderful maps are now incorrect in Birmingham. Birmingham has gone down from 11 constituencies to 10. Here's an image of a map showing the new boundaries: http://www.boundarycommissionforengland.org.uk/review_areas/West_Midlands_Boroughs/images/Birmingham_OM_RR.gif

Thanks, Umbongo91 (Umbongo91 (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC))

List of Parliamentary constituencies in Leicestershire and Rutland

Hi there. I've started work on this list, with the ultimate aim of taking it to a similar standard to List of Parliamentary constituencies in Hertfordshire. Having made my initial sweep, I've realised that the keys of the two tables I merged don't match due to the renaming of Blaby. I was therefore wondering if you would be able to change the numbering scheme of File:LeicestershireParliamentaryConstituenciesNumbered.svg to match File:LeicestershireRutlandParliamentaryConstituencies2007.svg? Regards, WFCforLife (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. Wereon (talk) 19:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! WFCforLife (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Why Hello

How random is this, I was just viewing the Ross Kemp article and you were the last person to edit it. Shame I missed Top Gear last night, would have caught onto the joke sooner. Saw you in Tesco the other day, hope you're well M1ke (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Odd debate closure after a very brief discussion at Talk:Next United Kingdom general election#Page move, revisited.

Weron can you please explain how you came to close this debate after only 4 hours, which incidentally was a bare 16 minutes after after a few of the previous opposers (not all opposers mind) in the 7 day debate a few days ago where notified of the new debate. Thank you - Galloglass 18:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. User:Anthony Appleyard moved the page, and I too was rather surprised that he acted so quickly. You'd have to ask him (and, indeed, I see you have). Presumably he, not unreasonably, snowballed it; in retrospect, I should have listed it as an uncontroversial move.

The difference between the two debates is, of course, that in the meantime a 2009 GE moved from being a practical impossibility to being a legal impossibility. 19:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and regarding your particular reason for opposing the move, I'm afraid I don't follow your logic at all. We do have United States presidential election, 2012 after all, despite the fact that it could be deferred by a constitutional amendment. The chances of the Commons, the Lords, and HM choosing to delay the election is of a similar probability. Wereon (talk) 19:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Weron what I am questioning here is your closure of the discussion with indecent haste to say the least. So please answer the question I posed above as to why you closed this debate a bare 16 minutes after its proposer notified me and other opposers on our talk pages? - Galloglass 20:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Galogals, don't shoot the messenger. I closed the discussion because Anthony Appleyard moved the page. The deed was done. Wereon (talk) 21:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The evidence in this [9] diff rather points to you pre-judging the debate. This reeks of bad faith on your part to say the least. - Galloglass 22:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Galloglass, I am getting increasingly frustrated with your behaviour on this issue, and am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are being deliberately obtuse. Trolling, if you will. The next general election in Britain will be in 2010. If you accept that, then this whole debate is pointless, academic. If you don't - well, do some reading around, because you are wrong. Wereon (talk) 23:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Change UK election links

I've noticed you are changing the links to Next United Kingdom general election. I'd just like to inform you that a bot has been set up and is currently waiting approvel to do this. See here Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DASHBot 2. Just to let you know. --Philip Stevens (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh brilliant, thanks. Should save me quite a bit of work. Wereon (talk) 18:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Richard Onslow, 1st Baron Onslow

Hi, Wereon. I have added a source for Richard Onslow being nicknamed "Stiff Dick" - I can certainly see why you questioned it! Dasent's book is reliable but somewhat dated - importantly, though, its copyright has expired and the text is available for those who wish to check it online. I recall seeing this fact recorded in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on Onslow - their website is subscription only and mine has expired, so I cannot check their source. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Rje (talk) 13:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Rje. Yes, I thought it was vandalism! I've had a look at the DNB at it is indeed mentioned there - I'll add the reference to the article later. Wereon (talk) 14:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you very much. Rje (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Islam4UK

Thank you for the work you did in tidying up the above article with this edit, however you marked the edit as "minor" - I think you may not understand what a minor edit is. To help you may want to take a look at WP:MINOR, taken from the page :

• Checking the minor edit box signifies that the current and previous versions differ only superficially (typographical corrections, etc.), in a way that no editor would be expected to regard as disputable.
• Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if the edit concerns a single word, and it is improper to mark such an edit as minor.

In this case you did change the meaning of an article by removing ref to the party names, please do not misunderstand, the edit improved the article just was not a WP:MINOR one.

Just thourght that you may like to know.

Codf1977 (talk) 05:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Disagree. But, each to his own... Wereon (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

message? from slowleft

No idead if this is how you're meant to send a message on here, so sorry if not!

I noticed you uploaded a map of the notional 2005 British General Election results on the 2010 boundaries. I was wondering if you have the Shapefile (.shp) or know where it came from?

THanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slowleft (talk • contribs) 15:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately not - it's hand-traced from the raster files released by the Boundary Commissions. It's thus not terribly accurate, though it should be alright to within a quarter of a mile or so.

Have a look at this press release, though: [10]. It looks like the Ordnance Survey will be releasing their mid-level vector data sometime later this year. Wereon (talk) 17:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Gold Finger

He's the man, the man with the Midas touch A spider's touch Such a cold finger Beckons you to enter his web of sin BUT DON'T GO IN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.245.46 (talk) 13:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

But what about the golden words he's poured in my ear? Did they mean nothing?! Wereon (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Tagging of James Monaghan (British politician)

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Next election UK map problem

As mentioned on its Talk page, but I'm not sure if you saw it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005UKElectionNominalMap.svg is incorrect for four constituencies: 'As mentioned on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituencies_in_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election "Four constituency boundaries were then slightly altered in March 2009 by The Parliamentary Constituencies (England) (Amendment) Order 2009 (S.I. 2009 No. 698).' - the map does not include those changes, which are visually noticeable, especially Wells/Somerton and Frome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dracos (talk • contribs) 09:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, really? Thanks for letting me know, I'll change the maps shortly. Wereon (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Wereon (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Trafalgar Square OS gridref

Hi Wereon, I have corrected the OS grid reference in the Trafalgar Square infobox and checked it using Geohack [11] and Ordnance Survey 'Get-A-Map'. Previously, the 10-figure grid ref pointed to a point 200 metres up St Martins Lane: now it points to Trafalgar Square. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 08:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mark Wright (politician)

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UK General Election 2010 Mori Polls

Thank you, Wereon, for updating the graph earlier in March. Could you please use your programming knowledge to update it again with the results of the Ipsos MORI poll that were published in today's Daily Mirror?

Infoporfin (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Wereon (talk) 03:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Infoporfin (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

None of the Above

Hi Wereon, tbh I'm not really sure how the returning officer will treat this. I suspect it really all depends on how the formerly Mr Osen submits his name on the nomination form. I think the odds are quite high that the returning officer may reject the nom completely, so we may never know. Quite happy with your change though, cheers - Galloglass 10:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

We could always e-mail to him to ask him, but I don't think it's worth it - in a few weeks, we'll be sorting it by votes anyway. I hope he does get put at the top of his ballot though, just for the irony! Wereon (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD

Hi, Wereon - I'm afraid I'm rather amateur at nominating articles for deletion. Where do I start? SE7^Talk/_Contribs 16:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I've done it for you. The instructions are on WP:AFD, for further reference... Wereon (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Constituency Maps

Hi Wereon, I've noticed that you haven't updated your wonderful constituency maps in the West Midlands after the boundary changes. Birmingham has gone from 11 to 10 constituencies, You can find a map here.

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Paul Campbell (English politician) Redirect Removed

I have removed the redirect that you had placed on Paul Campbell (English politician). I do not think that Paul Campbell (English politician) fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because being a serving councillor and being the executive member for finance with a budget of 100s of millions of pounds annually is a claim of significance. This is in addition to all the other links to independent sources as shown in the article. It might or might not be considered notability at an AFD (note that notability can be cumulative, where several things no one of which is enough on its own add up to notability) but for speedy deletion the bar is much lower "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source". I request that you consider not linking Paul Campbell (English politician) back to the Warrington North page without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. Nigel Balding (talk) 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Parliaments are numbered

Not often, but they are: see the bottom here where it is announced "End of the Fifth Session (opened on 18 November 2009) of the Fifty-Fourth Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Fifty-Ninth Year of the Reign of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second." Sam Blacketer (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's one of those highly ceremonious things, like calling the Lords the House of Peers. I think that, under the principle of least astonishment, we should identify Parliaments solely by their years.

Numbering UK Parliaments also means we ought to number GB and English Parliaments, which would be decidedly trickier to do accurately, if indeed possible at all. Wereon (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Wereon. Just a query really. Your graph shows Lib Dems overtaking Labour in one poll in 2009 but I can't find this particular ICM poll at all. Is it a misplaced stat or is it a hiccup in the program? Thanks - Galloglass 19:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Galloglass. I looked into that datum myself - it's quite clearly a rogue, but it looks like it was an actual poll. [12][13] Wereon (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Cambridge election results

Okay - some fair points!

Will certainly switch the Tory-Conservative boundary back as you suggest - I was thinking of 1867/1870 as the dividing line for the establishment of a Conservative central office, but I see from looking around on wikipedia that other articles use the 1834 date, so I might as well make this consistent.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you on reverting to reverse chronological order on the Cambridge results, though. With such a long list, reading in order downwards helps make sense of what can be a pretty confusing list (especially as things got very complicated when the city had two members in the 19th century, and by-elections for individual vacancies kept being called), and it's also consistent with the preceding list of MPs being in chronological order.

But I agree that most users are only interested in recent results. Could I suggest a compromise? How about listing only the last 3 or 4 election results in the article, and moving the complete list to a separate article on Cambridge election figures? I am mindful that the article is getting ridiculously long, and I may be able to further extend it by adding some pre-Reform Act figures to it... Debonairchap (talk) 02:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Reverse chronological order is used near-universally everywhere else, but I'm not sure if there's any guidelines on what we should do. I think the overall guiding principle should be recognizing that Wikipedia is online, not print; it's just as easy to scroll up as it is to scroll down. Likewise, I don't think you need to split the article, as the bandwidth considerations are moot now.

I don't like the idea of switching the order halfway through, especially as you would you have to decide an arbitrary cut-off point. Perhaps you should raise this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, and see what people think? Wereon (talk) 02:18, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

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naming

i live in this constituency and when i went to vote it said Tyneside North on the top not north Tyneside —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geordiecarlj (talk • contribs) 19:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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Green Party of England and Wales short name

Hi - concerning this topic. Candidates from the various UK green parties don't stand against each other directly, but they do organise separately under the same name within the same elections (take the Green Party in Northern Ireland, which also campaigned under the name of "Green Party"), meaning there is a need for disambiguation in tables like this one. --Kwekubo (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, is there no way to have a short name and a long name? We shouldn't be having "Green (E&W)" in results for individual English constituencies. Wereon (talk) 13:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 election results

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Wereon

Just tidying up, no need for the additional text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.37.131 (talk) 08:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You are adding text to the straight forward link. It all fits in the box, so no need to shorten the link! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.37.131 (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not only British elections that are held in Erith and Thamesmead, now you mention it. European elections are held there as well. The point I'm trying to make is that you are adding text that is not needed. The full link fits in the box and there is no need to change it. In situations where you need to save space or just to make easier reading then you can of course use "link|text" to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.37.131 (talk) 12:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree that in sentences that it is much better to shorten the full link to something far more readable, but a box title like we are discussing can just be a straight link. I have noticed that there are many variations, when the straight link will do just fine. 78.86.37.131 (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Maps

Hi Wereon. You left a comment: I replied; another editor added to the discussion. As you initiated the discussion, have you anything to add in reponse? Andy F (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi again Wereon. Re the further points you raised, my reply is here. Andy F (talk) 06:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Inkscape constituency map problem

I'm trying to use your (might I say incredible) constituency outline map from 2010 but each time I try to fill in a seat Inkscape takes ages only to quit on me from an internal error. Is there any reason why this is or any way to avoid it? My computer's pretty new and Inkscape works fine for everything else, so I'm just wondering. Thanks! Geoking66_talk 23:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I've had similar problems with Inkscape - there's nothing wrong with the file, it just seems it's a bit too large for the program to handle comfortably. What exactly are you trying to do? If you're just colouring constituencies, you're best off opening the file in a text editor and doing it by hand. Sorry about that. Wereon (talk) 23:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Truro by-election 1987

Hi, re [14] are you sure the map was incorrect? DuncanHill (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry - they're the boundaries used from 1997 to 2010, but I see now that Cornwall was unchanged in the 1997 revision. Mea culpa. Wereon (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Notional constituency results

Notional results are simply that wereon, guesses and have no place in an encyclopedia which records facts not crystal ball gazing. So please do not continue to add such content. - Galloglass 05:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Also you appear to have removed a large number of the new seat win boxes, please restore them. Thank you - Galloglass 05:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Commas in constituency names

Hi Wereon, thanks for your message. You say that "it does officially have a comma", but looking at an official source such as www.parliament.co.uk (ie Hansard) I find that you seem to be mistaken. See these refs[15] [16]. Equally, are you saying that in calling the constituency Sheffield Hallam that the Sheffield City Council is incorrect? See [17]. These sources seem to be as official as you can get. Moreover, I am intrigued why you haven't changed the name of the Plymouth Sutton and Devonport article itself. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It looks like a lot of pages need their names changing then! (Just noticed you are at Cuths. Small world; so was I (1982–85)). Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Still here, albeit for only a couple more weeks. Small world indeed! Wereon (talk) 18:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

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Accent in premiere

Hello,

In Wikipedia's article on Shakespeare's Twelfth Night there is an grave accent over the second E in premiered (ie premièred). I noticed this recently and thought it was unnecessary (in countless other uses of the word across Wikipedia the accent is absent) so I removed it. My change was quickly reverted by another user. I thought all of this was interesting so I tracked the accent back to its origins and I've found that you placed it there on 29 March 2009. I'm just curious as to why you put it there. I'm familiar with its use in French but I've never seen it English (that I can remember anyway). The etymology of premiered obviously comes from French (from the word meaning "first" if I'm not mistaken), but do we need that accent there? I hate to disrespect the origins of language but ...

List of English words of French origin

... how many of those retain their accents in modern English use? And does that accent actually make sense there given our pronunciation of premiere. Common examples of the grave accent in French are words like mère which (as you know) is pronounced like mair. I don't know about you but I pronounce premiere, PRIMEAR, which would certainly render that accent obsolete if it wasn't already.

Also, my deletion might have been reverted due to my IP address's long-standing reputation for vandalism. As I live in a dormitory (Dobie Center) this is a public address used by many computers and many people.

Thank you for your time. 74.202.255.6 (talk) 21:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)Chris Rogers

Jumping in (this page is on my watchlist), Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, 1983 edition, uses the accent (page 1014). DuncanHill (talk) 22:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry to both of you, I really should have replied before now.

And the answer is... cultural differences. Well, to your question, not to my tardiness, which is simple procrastination. In the States, "première" has changed its pronunciation to, as you say, "prim-ear", and so probably does deserve to lose its accent. In Britain however, it's still three syllables. Wereon (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Notional results

Notional Results are based on the Original Research (OR) of someone else and by definition a notional result is not a reliable reflection of what would have happened in the seat at the previous election under the revised boundaries. Publishing someone else’s OR is still OR. There are also no sources for the notional swings in those seats. The seats were new seats fought under new boundaries so as such the results from the previous election cannot be transferred to another seat under differing boundaries without violating OR as there is no reliable comparison as there is no election history under the revised boundaries. There is also no explanation of how the notional result was reached. Just because the BBC or Sky publish some OR doesn’t mean it is reliable all sources must be viewed for reliability and just because it has come from a reputable source doesn’t mean it is reliable and not in violation of OR. They are new seats and not existing seats so calling them new seats is what they are and there can be no change in vote share in the election result for the first time a seat is contested.--Lucy-marie (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Election pages

Will you please stop undoing constructive editing which i am making. The "ref" was moved to the lead so it would actually get read and actually had some importance. If the statement is used as a ref the it is not referencing the fact he was a candidate. It is giving a commentary on how well he did as a candidate. Moving it too the lead places the commentary where it belongs and where it will get read. Also you cannot just state EVERYBODY's convention without giving some form of source for this convention. Its like stating I want to do it this way and EVERYBODY agrees without providing any means of backing up your statement. If it is a genuine convention please provide some form of sourcing for the convention.--Lucy-marie (talk) 12:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not important enough to belong to the lead. It only applies to one election. The footnote was the right place for it. Wereon (talk) 12:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

If its not important enough for the lead or important enough for anywhere in the main text of the article why is it important enough to be included at all?--Lucy-marie (talk) 15:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

By that logic, why have footnotes at all? Besides, I refer the right honourable lady to: [18]. Wereon (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

That kind of information should be listed n the main body of the text as it is relevant information and not simply a nice add on piece of trivia. Also just because it is right now the way it is done doesn't mean it is correct.--Lucy-marie (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

You think so? WP:FOOT disagrees with you. Besides, the MK thing is a nice add-on piece of trivia. It's not like we can expect a Dick Cole-led government in my lifetime... Wereon (talk) 01:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Just because it is nice trivia doesn’t mean it is notable information. All information added must be notable information and if it is just nice and not notable it must either be placed in a notable context or removed for not being notable. See WP:Cruft and WP:Notable

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Reversion of Witney

You may well be right that the previous version of the election box is better, but I believe all editors involved need to discuss what we do to move forward. I've converted three constituency pages and three only: Witney, Doncaster North and Barnsley Central. Others have converted Oldham East and Saddleworth, St Albans and Fulham West. Unless there are more by-elections imminent I will convert no more without agreement: I know it's contentious but I believe the only way forward is via discussion and by having a few pages on trial. The only agenda I have is standardisation. Could you please add to the discussion on this topic at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliament_constituencies#Compact_election_box_2 ? This way we can - hopefully - agree on a way forward. Thanks. Crooked cottage (talk) 23:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Wereon, the {{compact election box}} was devised through lengthy discussions at WT:UKPC, so I have restored it on Witney. If you have concerns about it, please could you discuss them at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliament_constituencies#Compact_election_box_usage (note the seaction header has chnaged since CC posted the link)? Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Feedback

Quick uninvited feedback - hope you don't take offence. Over use of wp:minor flag, under use of wp:ES, talk page could do with wp:archiving. That's me done. Trafford09 (talk) 19:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Which is Wiki-speak, presumably, for "thank you for fixing that egregious typo I made"? Please mind your own business - I've been here seven years now, I know how things are done. Wereon (talk) 20:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Apols. re wp:ESs - they're pretty exemplary. (btw, to which typo were you referring?) Trafford09 (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hey, how do you structure your data for three-party swing maps? I've got three columns apiece showing the vote share for each party over two elections, and margins for each, and I'm trying to map it. It may be something very obvious, but I'm confused. --Criticalthinker (talk) 01:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Wait, is this simply subtracting 1-party vote share in current election - 1-party vote share in previous election / 2 for each district? This is what is called a pairwise calculation, correct? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Possibly. I can't remember, this was years and years ago! Wereon (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, my! Well, that wasn't much help! lol --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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